Jack Yan

Left or right? Does it matter?

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I found it amusing the NZ blog ranking has me as Politics ?

I think people should do all they can to look after themselves (lib/right?) but acknowledge that some won't be able to do that and society should (left?)

The most good, for the most people, most of the time?

I know, I saw you on several, beginning with Tumeke!! I like your last sentence there—makes sense to me! Maybe the index compilers like your common sense, sorely lacking in politics.
That sentence isn't original but I'm too lazy to look up the origin.
hey in my village all are equal and all add to the whole
It’s a good attitude to take, Ken—I am the same.
I will Google it now just to satiate my curiosity.
Ethics are more important than legality.
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That's one of the reasons i came up with the term, 'the relative left' some years ago.;) That is, 'relative' to our current understanding and location of the 'centre'. I suppose even the aristocracy of the past were members of the 'left' when they fought for more say in monarchical societies. The left is constantly evolving with its expanding perception of sentient life and the rights that ought to be accorded them. I suppose the environmentalists are the latest amongst the 'leftists'.

But you're right. Most people are as much 'lefties' as they are when they take a walk. They avail themselves of both perspectival limbs on the basis of whether society or their personal interests are paramount....and their understanding of what sentience is.

But i wouldn't say that you're 'Confucian' Jack. The idea of conformism and immutable hierarchical structure is quite the theme within it. Especially since it was syncretised with Taoism and Han Fei's Legalism 2000 years ago. But, i suppose, we're all Confucian every now and then in different situations.

Good thoughts Jack. Most interesting. Thanks.

ed
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Zak: agreed.
Thank you, Ed: you are right, it is all relative, and it is a shifting centre.
Perhaps I should re-term it modern Confucianism—in today’s defragmenting, more segmented society it would be ignorant of me to believe in conformity. But the ideas of self-regulation and social responsibility do appeal to me.
my father was a die hard democrat and still is. i grew up not saying anything about politics, until i was on my own. what i did see to form my own opinionwas the demos have caused more than anyones share about this country's problems. and still is. i have a sister who is very political. and at one time was going to run, but said it is to crooked. my father and i don't usually discuss politics and neither does him and my sisiter.
Margie, you are right—what I see of modern politics is either a bunch of idiots who don’t know any better, or a bunch of very corrupt people. Occasionally some really good ones shine through who try to make a difference. I wish your sister did run, at least to show that one can be a clean politician.
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Yes. I would certainly agree with the idea of 'self-regulation' and 'social responsibility'.

Within the confucian(China) context of things, it rather serves as a coping mechanism that enables the government to continually extract from the people. In such a context, and in the longer run, the people will inevitably adopt the exploitative persona of the government. As a result, social responsibility will contract and generally include only the family, whilst everyone takes on a siege mentality and grossly opportunistic stance toward each other. It goes on in china as well as in singapore.

A wise confucian philosopher once said, perhaps a thousand years ago or so, that what the government is, the people will become. Most astute.

I really enjoy your thoughts on such matters Jack. Thank you.

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Excellent point there, Ed, on the consequence of an exploitative form of Confucianism—yes, I can see these tendencies. I wonder if this was what Confucius himself intended though for the smooth operation of government. Interestingly, with that tendency, ironically a form of Confucianism might work better with the individualistic nature of the west!
Makes sense to me.
Thanks, X.! I like things reduced to plain-English arguments.

It's the corrupt idiots you've really got to watch!

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Yep, another good summary!
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You make a good point about the idea that people are combination of left and right. One of the real problems in America now is the fact the President Obama and the Federal Government are moving quickly to squash right wing critics.

It appears that the Dems total control of the Federal Government is going to be problematic. The Dems seem driven to a more socialist agenda.

The Dems appear to reject the idea of keeping a balance between socialism and capitalism and allowing a loyal opposition. Therefore, American is in for a rough ride socially and economically over the next 3 years.
Hi Timothy: it will be interesting to see how a lot of these policies play out. I certainly have detected the usual media bias there and instinct tells me that printing money is not going to solve many problems.
Jack - I wonder how long it will be, until Obamites suggest that Obama's picture should be place on the $100 bill.
I’m hoping you guys won’t need a $500 and $1,000 bill in regular usage …
Jack - If inflation takes hold in America, things will get real tough. Printing money and handing it out to every political cronies is not a good idea by Obama.
It would have been cheaper just to divide that money by 300 million and hand it directly to the citizens of the US, requesting each of them look at creating a business or paying off debt with it. The American people are ingenious enough.
Jack - This is a great idea.

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